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From the Southeast Asia Program at Cornell University, the Gatty Lecture Rewind Podcast features interviews and conversations with scholars and researchers working in and around Southeast Asia, all of whom have been invited to give a Gatty Lecture at Cornell University. Conversations cover the history, politics, economics, literature, art, and cultures of the region. Podcast topics cover the many nations and peoples of Southeast Asia, including Indonesia, the Philippines, Thailand, Cambodia, Vietnam, Burma, Laos, Singapore, Malaysia, Brunei, and Timor-Leste. For more information on the Southeast Asia Program at Cornell University, visit our website. Music provided by 14 Strings and the Cornell Gamelan Ensemble.

Oct 30, 2025

Indonesia in 10 Films: "Soegija" with Arnoud Arps

In this second episode of “Indonesia in 10 Films,” host Michael Kirkpatrick Miller explores the film Soegija (2012), an ambitious historical drama by director Garin Nugroho. Soegjia follows the non-traditional Catholic national hero Monsignor Albertus Soegijapranata, during one of the most volatile periods in Indonesian history — from the Japanese occupation to the return of Dutch forces after World War II. Rather than focusing solely on its titular figure, the film paints a multifaceted image of intersecting lives of diverse characters. 

 

Michael first speaks with Neen about the film’s cinematography, then interviews Dr. Arnoud Arps, Assistant Professor of Extended Cinema, Film Heritage and Memory at the University of Amsterdam. Dr. Arps, who previously interviewed Garin Nugroho, shares the director’s intention to create a film grounded in humanity and emotional resonance. He also collaborated with the Eye Filmmuseum and the National Museum of Indonesia to curate a special screening series on Indonesian War of Independence films, with Soegija selected as one of the featured works.

Together they discuss the three major waves of the Indonesian Independence War films, the evolution of how nationalism, heroism, and “Merdeka” are portrayed, and the film’s subtle treatment of colonizers and revolutionaries, particularly through the conflicted character Robert.

 

Intro: 0: 38

Producer’s Insights: 10:31

Conversation with Guest: 13: 25

Conclusion: 58:30

Professor Arp's Film recommendations: 

  • Kadet 1947, Rahabi Mandra, Aldo Swastia

  • Trilogi Merdeka (Merah Putih, Darah Garuda, Hati Merdeka), Yadi Sugandi, Conor Allyn

Professor Arp's rating on Soegija: 8/10

 

Host: Michael Kirkpatrick Miller

Producer: Adam Farihin, Cecilia Liu  and Neen Yada Tangcharoenmonkong